The title explains it all here.....I'm kinda stuck on what I want to do? Cam, Ignition, P&P, throttle body? Help me out there fellas:hail:
Yep, you read my mind on the "breaking the seal" statement. I'm kinda leaning toward a cam though.....I just wanted to see everyone else's suggestions.....I'm still open for recommendations....:thumb:You are basically were I am. I am not ready to break the seal on the motor yet so I am going to do a cam and bored TB next. Then when I get bored with that I will get a CNC port job. By then the builders will have the CNC porting down.
O.K......good info to know about the TB and dyno...turbo and rideability should not be used in the same sentence.......
11:1 piston and cam should go hand in hand..... this mod is done while retaining near stock reliability if installed correctly, i would stay away from the tb unless u have a dyno tuner near by, but is well worth the money on a ported bike....... i
I think it depends on what kind of riding and what terrain you are riding on.
The Bored TB is only going to be good at the High RPM's area. SO unless you are doing some racing that is required for 4th gear to pull longer then save your money.
Most people will have to agree that the best all around mods you can do to see the best results without going extreme is to do Piston, Cam , Port.
I got all of my stuff done really cheap. Piston , Cam , gaskets cost 330.00 shipped and I had a local porter port my head for 140.00. So thats about 500.00 for a ton of added RWHP.
Just buy the 2 parts cam/piston and install them yourself. Its really simple and If you dont have the experience then just follow the manual and it is straight forward.
Hope my Input helps you a bit.
I could tell a huge difference when I added the engine mods.
If you dont want to do the work your self, Put the piston in and send the head to Bo (velociRaptor) and he will do the porting and the cam work for ya.
Good porter , Really fair prices.
I think you have found your first generalization. I'm not sure where the info came from on the TB, but I have about 150-160 customers and a dozen or so dealers that do not agree with the high end power only statements. They make almost the same gain over the entire RPM range. I had my TB's tested by Kenz and Rocket Factory before I ever sold the first one. Everyone was surprised to find that it made more power over virtually the entire power range. Since I started, they have been tested by Holeshot designs, KBR, Hanssen Performance, Racers Edge....... and the list goes on and on. With the same results.Your input helped me a ton....I guess I'll hold off on the TB.....Lots of trails/mountains where I ride at....
I figure I can do the cam no problem.....any downside to just adding a cam right now with no 11:1 piston? I mean I know there will be obvious downside as far as "performance" goes.....What I mean by "downside" is this: Will the engine's life be negatively affected by doing a cam only?
I always recommend cam and compression after the big three. Then ignition, TB and Crankcase evac in whatever order after that:thumb:Kenny, I don't doubt your work...As a matter of fact your throttle body WILL be a future mod for me....I see that you have an outstanding support base and that speaks volumes....I am however as you put it looking for the best "bang for the buck" at the moment.
Thanks for your expertise Kenny....:thumb:
I think you have found your first generalization. I'm not sure where the info came from on the TB, but I have about 150-160 customers and a dozen or so dealers that do not agree with the high end power only statements. They make almost the same gain over the entire RPM range. I had my TB's tested by Kenz and Rocket Factory before I ever sold the first one. Everyone was surprised to find that it made more power over virtually the entire power range. Since I started, they have been tested by Holeshot designs, KBR, Hanssen Performance, Racers Edge....... and the list goes on and on. With the same results.
That being said, after the big 3, I believe the cam to be the biggest bang for the buck. The Hotcam stageII works fine with or without compression increases, and is quite easy on the valvetrain:thumb:
Like I said, I always recommend a cam and piston change first. I do wish you would take down the Alba chart though....It does not perform like mine. They behave very differently. If you look at the first chart, you will see that the power was even @ 2600RPM and by 3000 my TB was better all the way to the top. The Bluetraxx article is probably the lowest gain I have seen. I found this very useful for aggressive woods riding. Less shifting and less sensitivity to being in the wrong gear.Just edited and added another dyno that was posted.
I am not trying to discredit Kenny and I think he does great work.
I just dont think that the +2 is the best mod for someone who mainly rides trails. Especially when he doesnt even have a cam or Piston yet.
i am with you 100% my bike is just no good and not fun to ride on the trails my wifes bike is a blast and is fun to ride but for the sand i will not get on it my bike with the h.p. is at home in the sand not the trails :thumb:My thoughts about mods are, if you are riding trails, you need better suspension and not more power. Most trails we ride in Pa are tight and you don't really get above 3rd gear. If you can't control your quad, then why more power? JMO