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I don’t know what I did the first time around but this time everything worked out great!
I rode five times at five minute intervals pretty much the same way each time. Each time I came back to plug into the computer, the trims adjustments were getting less and less. I accepted the trims and when I went back out to ride it felt better then the last time. I decided to stop when the trims numbers were under the change of 10. In my short lived experience with the Autotune I thought this would be best. Kind of like if I would have went for more tune rides that driver error would start to come into play or something along them lines.
So the bike runs good while driving, it idles well, and starts within one crank over. Also I rode it a lot since the tune with a new plug and the plug couldn’t be burning any better.

I set my AF to 12.7 under 5000 RPM and the rest to 13.2 then 13.
Here are my trim changes.
Trim 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 4 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -8 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -14 -4 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0
0 2 6 1 -1 -2 0 0 0 0
0 -2 -6 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0
0 -4 -10 -3 0 -3 -1 0 0 0
0 -4 -12 2 0 2 -1 0 0 0
0 -1 -3 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 0
0 1 -8 -9 1 1 -1 0 0 0
0 0 -5 -9 -7 -13 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 -3 -5 -20 -6 0 0 0
0 0 0 -1 -1 -19 -11 0 0 -3
0 0 0 0 -1 -13 -7 -3 0 -2
0 0 0 0 0 -7 -5 -3 -1 -3
0 0 0 0 0 0 -8 -5 -2 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 -4 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -2 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 3 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 6 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 -1 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 -5 2 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0
0 -2 1 -1 1 -4 0 0 0 0
0 -3 -2 -2 -1 -6 -3 0 0 0
0 0 -3 1 4 -5 -10 -2 0 0
0 0 -2 3 0 -3 -9 -4 -1 0
0 0 0 -1 1 6 -6 -5 -1 0
0 0 0 0 1 6 3 -3 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 4 -1 -1 -2 0
0 0 0 0 2 4 2 1 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -7 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -9 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -2 -3 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -4 7 0 3 0 0 0 0 0
0 -3 -4 1 2 4 -3 0 0 0
0 -1 -2 0 1 4 -4 0 0 0
0 -1 -2 1 1 -3 -8 -1 0 0
0 0 -1 0 1 2 -4 0 -1 0
0 0 0 -1 2 4 0 -1 1 0
0 0 0 0 0 3 -5 -4 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 3 -2 -3 -2 1
0 0 0 0 0 1 -5 -2 -4 1
0 0 -1 0 0 -1 -2 0 0 -3
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 1 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -2 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 4 4 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -2 3 2 4 4 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 7 0 1 -2 0 0 0
0 0 3 5 3 -2 -2 0 0 0
0 0 1 0 4 6 1 -1 0 0
0 1 0 0 1 2 3 -1 -2 -1
0 0 0 -1 0 1 3 4 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 2 4 -1 -2 0
0 0 0 -1 1 1 6 5 1 1
0 0 0 0 0 1 5 3 4 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 4 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 5 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0

I stopped here and went with #5.

The conclusion is that my Raptor is kicking ass and I am very happy with my tune!

Anything I missed or doing wrong? Leave a comment, what do you think?

Thanks for taking a look at this,
Max
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Good info !!! :thumb::thumb: I hope to upgrade to PC5 and autotune eventually so I wanna learn about this stuff.
 

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Max, u accepted all the prior trims to number 5? Can you send me you map u are using now? [email protected] I like to see your numbers

My AF ratio numbers:
1500 rpm to 9000 rpm
14.0 14.0 13.5 13.5 13.5 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
14.0 14.0 13.5 13.5 13.5 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
14.0 14.0 13.5 13.5 13.5 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.5 13.4 13.3 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.1 12.7 12.7
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.2 13.1 13.0 13.0 13.0
 

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im new and confused, if im reading lawshark a/f# correctly it starts in the 2% column and goes to the 100% column, and the 0% is left blank. isnt 0% throttle also idle? if it is what is the a/f % at idle w/ the column at 0? can someone please explain, so i understand better. thanks
 

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I don’t know what I did the first time around but this time everything worked out great!
I rode five times at five minute intervals pretty much the same way each time. Each time I came back to plug into the computer, the trims adjustments were getting less and less. I accepted the trims and when I went back out to ride it felt better then the last time. I decided to stop when the trims numbers were under the change of 10. In my short lived experience with the Autotune I thought this would be best. Kind of like if I would have went for more tune rides that driver error would start to come into play or something along them lines.
So the bike runs good while driving, it idles well, and starts within one crank over. Also I rode it a lot since the tune with a new plug and the plug couldn’t be burning any better.

I set my AF to 12.7 under 5000 RPM and the rest to 13.2 then 13.
Here are my trim changes.
Trim 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 4 0 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -8 3 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -14 -4 0 0 -1 0 0 0 0
0 2 6 1 -1 -2 0 0 0 0
0 -2 -6 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0
0 -4 -10 -3 0 -3 -1 0 0 0
0 -4 -12 2 0 2 -1 0 0 0
0 -1 -3 -1 0 0 -1 0 0 0
0 1 -8 -9 1 1 -1 0 0 0
0 0 -5 -9 -7 -13 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 -3 -5 -20 -6 0 0 0
0 0 0 -1 -1 -19 -11 0 0 -3
0 0 0 0 -1 -13 -7 -3 0 -2
0 0 0 0 0 -7 -5 -3 -1 -3
0 0 0 0 0 0 -8 -5 -2 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -2 -4 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -1 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 -2 -2
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -2 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 1 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 3 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 6 2 0 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 -1 1 1 0 0 0 0
0 -5 2 1 0 0 -1 0 0 0
0 -2 1 -1 1 -4 0 0 0 0
0 -3 -2 -2 -1 -6 -3 0 0 0
0 0 -3 1 4 -5 -10 -2 0 0
0 0 -2 3 0 -3 -9 -4 -1 0
0 0 0 -1 1 6 -6 -5 -1 0
0 0 0 0 1 6 3 -3 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 4 -1 -1 -2 0
0 0 0 0 2 4 2 1 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 3 1 0 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 4
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -7 1 2 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -9 4 2 1 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -2 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -1 1 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -2 -3 -1 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -4 7 0 3 0 0 0 0 0
0 -3 -4 1 2 4 -3 0 0 0
0 -1 -2 0 1 4 -4 0 0 0
0 -1 -2 1 1 -3 -8 -1 0 0
0 0 -1 0 1 2 -4 0 -1 0
0 0 0 -1 2 4 0 -1 1 0
0 0 0 0 0 3 -5 -4 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 3 -2 -3 -2 1
0 0 0 0 0 1 -5 -2 -4 1
0 0 -1 0 0 -1 -2 0 0 -3
0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 1 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -2 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 -1
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
Trim 5
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 1 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 -4 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 -1 0 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 4 4 1 -1 0 0 0 0 0
0 -2 0 2 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -1 1 0 0 1 0 0 0 0
0 -2 3 2 4 4 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 7 0 1 -2 0 0 0
0 0 3 5 3 -2 -2 0 0 0
0 0 1 0 4 6 1 -1 0 0
0 1 0 0 1 2 3 -1 -2 -1
0 0 0 -1 0 1 3 4 -1 0
0 0 0 0 0 2 4 -1 -2 0
0 0 0 -1 1 1 6 5 1 1
0 0 0 0 0 1 5 3 4 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 2 5 4 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 5 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 3 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 1 2 3
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 2 2
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0
0

I stopped here and went with #5.

The conclusion is that my Raptor is kicking ass and I am very happy with my tune!

Anything I missed or doing wrong? Leave a comment, what do you think?

Thanks for taking a look at this,
Max
:rockon:

I just wanted to add that I had a switch wired into the PC5. When I went out to tune I would start in the same place every time. Then I would get the Rap going slow in 1st and then flip the switch on to learn mode. Then do my runs and at the end of the run I would flip the switch off to non learn mode before the Rap came to a stop in 5th gear. No down shifting like at a regular dyno tune. I would suggest mounting the switch to the handle bars. I had mine coming out from under the seat and was a little tricky flipping the switch off going that fast.
 

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So when you were in learn mode did you do any slow runs or did you just haul ass through the gears to get your map. I just ordered one of these and want to get it tuned properly.
 

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I took it easy while shifting through the gears.
 

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So you just did a normal acceleration and didnt get on it right? Also how long do you suggest riding before you turn autotune off. Thanks for all the help.
 

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I accelarated slowly, rode 1st for a bit then 2nd and so on.
It took about 5mins to go through all the gears.
I just took it easy making sure not to lug the motor and shift smoothly.
 

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hey is it normal to have negative numbers in your map? just curious its my first time using a power commander.
 

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It takes away and adds fuel, so yes it is normal.
 

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i just ordered an auto tune because my local dyno took a stab at my 3 mod raptor and its still shooting flames out the back and stalling.

im waiting for my auto tune to show up at my door any day now but i had a couple questions maybe you guys could advise on?

the website mentions just leaving the system on at all times or the option of using it only to learn occassionally. but i had also read it was not advised to use it constantly as it would confuse itself? t/f?

also, if a guy was tuning his bike wouldnt it make as much sense to ride it in learning mode the same as you would ride it for whatever you use it for? be it drag or trail or open plains of sand etc? maybe to make a drag map might be wise when you wanna switch maps. go out and make 5 minutes of passes at 100% throttle? wouldn't this build the optimal drag map?
 

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I accelarated slowly, rode 1st for a bit then 2nd and so on.
It took about 5mins to go through all the gears.
I just took it easy making sure not to lug the motor and shift smoothly.
When you say you run smoothly,
do you still go low RPM to High RPM like 9000 though all the gear?
or you shift lie 5000-6000 rpm?
 

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When you say you run smoothly,
do you still go low RPM to High RPM like 9000 though all the gear?
or you shift lie 5000-6000 rpm?
I accelerate to the top of the gear like you would normaly do when riding
then shift. Smoothly means i gradually accelerate to the next gear, I don't let off in mid gear.

Actually I been thinking of trying it diffrent.
Get going in 1st turn the switch on and ride till it's time to shift to 2nd. Then turn the switch off shift into 2nd then turn the switch back on. And do the same through the rest of the gears.
This is only a theory as of now. I'm rebuilding and will have to tune soon.
I will try this way and post my findings.
I not sure if autotune will learn this way but well will see.
 

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How'd you guys copy the map numbers to post on here? Or did ya type each individual number...? LOL

I use the snipping thing when I copied mine.

Here's a couple of mine when I was playing with it earlier this summer.


 

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Copy/paste
Hahaha. I thought I tried copy/paste and it wouldn't work.
But then again, that might be me dreaming things that didn't happen too...
LOL :lol:

Maybe I'll try copy/paste next time I'm using it!

My bike has a part throttle stumble that I can't seem to find a reason for. I haven't had much time to play with it since the middle of summer, but I gotta give it another shot sometime this week. I'm gonna convert it all back to stock to see what happens with the stumble and then try the 3mods again to see if it comes back.
There's a "zero" map on the PC isn't there? I'm not sure what to call it, but it'd be for all stock bike. (Like I said it's been awhile...LOL)
I'ma try it completely stock and then with the PC on the "zero" map. Then work my way up to the 3mod.
I've also got an extra TB to try if nothin else helps...
 
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